El Ciego wrote:
First, Prolijo... Trust me. When she's rubbing up against me, I know how good/bad her body is. Not "closing the deal" is hardly proof; these weren't as you called them "innocent flirtations." In most cases, they were out and out offers of NSA sex. The only "game" I would have required would have been to say "yes." For an intelligent man, you make an awful lot of assumptions. ....
First, El C ... Of course I realize I was making a lot of assumptions. I believe I even said "can I assume" at one point. However, in the absence of complete details, one sometimes has to make assumptions. The assumptions may have turned out wrong according to you but they were not unreasonable ones. If I was stretching on some of them, it was only because I was giving you the benefit of the doubt - that the quality of your own judgment is not suspect. I stand by the main point of that post which was that: a) beauty is in the eye of the beholder and some guys behold beauty where most of the rest of us can't see it b) beautiful or ugly most gringas in CR do not just come on to us that overtly, certainly none I've ever met and I believe I travel OUTSIDE of SJ as much as anyone and c) I've seen very very few gringa tourists OVER 40 who were BOTH unaccompanied AND that good looking whether they've come on to me or seemed completely disinterested. Apparently, you were fortunate enough to discover some large pocket of gold that has eluded me (and others?) on all my trips, or are somehow that much more appealing that the hot ones literally throw themselves at you or else, perhaps, my earlier assumption that the women you speak are either not so hot or not so definitively up for it as you say. What would seem to you be a more credible conclusion/assumption if you were me?
BTW, believe me, I know what frottage means, but I've never seen that done in PUBLIC in CR other than in strip joints where lap dancing is going on, of course in P4P bars like the SL or BM or PERHAPS some nightclubs populated with people YOUNGER than 40 who were also very very drunk at the time.
El Ciego wrote:
... Secondly, and this will sound trite, but here goes: I understand the reasons for much gringa attitude. Having come from the same country, I understand the forces which have molded most Americans. I'm not talking about a lifetime commitment, or even a three-day run... I was referring in my initial post to a few hours. Their attitudes would only confront me if I couldn't seduce them into going along with my sexual will. ...
I'll ASSUME that, unlike the first remark, this comment was not directed at me per se? Or am I wrong again? I've never been one to disparage the gringa attitude like many of the other guys around here, at least not universally. Like you I understand the forces that have molded them. For one thing, I know for every phucked up gringa there is also a phucked up gringo who probably helped make them the way they are (not me, of course). Their concept of feminism is not so removed from mine or at least much closer to mine than the typical tico's. For one thing, like them, I believe in equal rights. My gripe is with the pigs on the animal farm who think that some animals are more equal than others. You can't have equal rights while still expecting certain priveleges due to your gender as some women do. But I digress. My point here is that in many ways most gringas think far more like me than do most ticas. The problem I have with your statement above is two-fold. Many, though certainly not all, gringas DO have any attitude problem towards (gringo) guys, or at least the single ones over 40 who have been "burned" by divorce (much like the divorced gringo guys around here seem to have an attitude against them, hmmm?). Secondly, while it is true we aren't going to marry them so that the only really important attitude that matters is "going along with my sexual will" but even over the course of just a few hours a bitchy or spoiled attitude can be QUITE annoying. Don't we talk around here all the time about the importance of the chicas attitudes when it comes to having better sessions? BTW, in this comment you used the word seduce, which suggests at least some work to me, while in your first comment you talked about (essentially unsolicited?) out and out offers of NSA sex, which doesn't sound like it involved much seductive effort if at all.
El Ciego wrote:
... Finally, did I ever say "Travel to C.R. (or anywhere) SPECIFICALLY to bang gringas? No, I did not. What I said was, if you're in the country anyway and if you're tired of the p4p thing, you can get a sexual release and maybe make a friend by tapping the "gringa on vacation" and/or "lonely expatriate" resources available to you.
Again, I'm ASSUMING this comment was not directed at me. Did I ever say "Travel to C.R. (or anywhere) SPECIFICALLY to bang gringas OR CHICAS?" No, I did not. Personally, I travel to CR for many reasons and actually, for me at least, even the chica thing is just a nice bonus. So I can readily understand what you meant. You're saying something like "if you're out and about and away from the readily available P4P then why not take advantage of whatever there is to offer? If its free, then the price is right?" First of all, like we've all often said TANSTAAFL its never "free". There is always a catch, maybe not monetary, but something. I can certainly appreciate where you're coming from if these women were really so available and attractive as you say, but I still find that hard to believe. I could even appreciate where you're coming from if you were saying you were sacrificing a certain degree of physical appeal for the fact that nothing else (in the form of P4P or non-pro) was available but since it was "free" you were lowering your standards. However, speaking only personally, if I've just come off a number of days in San Jose where I was banging my brains out with young hot chicas, I'd sooner go "without" for a few days than have sex with an older gringa who didn't really appeal to me that much just so I could get my rocks off. And if I want to "maybe make a friend" with them, I don't have to "tap that" to do it. Frankly, I've reached a stage of life where I'm perfectly satisfied even I don't have sex absolutely everyday. Of course, I would if a chica hottie was available to me all the time, but I certainly don't NEED sex if it means lowering my standards.
Maybe my assumptions here are completely wrong. Maybe your standards and/or opinions about it are different than mine and others. I'm not saying you or anyone else that wants to do this is wrong. If that is what floats your boat then go out and have at it. I'm just saying that it is not for me and apparently there are a number of guys around here who agree with me. However, I do appreciate the spirit in which you offered your suggestion and its certainly generated a lot of thought on BOTH sides.