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(Warning: Long rambling stream of consciousness with a point and a question buried somewhere pointlessly within. Go to about the sixth paragraph if you want to save yourself.)

OK, I think I’ve gone off the deep end of some imaginary cliff of deranged mongerdom. I’ve allowed my daydreaming and fantasies about the hobby to mix irresponsibly with my uncontrollable penchant for over-analysis and anal-retentiveness. There’s little hope for me; save yourselves while there’s still time. If you don’t you’ll end up as sad and organized as I usually find myself. My spreadsheets have taken over, and I’m simply a slave to their whisperings.

My latest depravity: I’ve been thinking about the Del Ray, and the nightly negotiations that you’ve been describing. The dreaded “Cien”, the ensuing tango towards something more reasonable, and the relationship all of that has with your ability to “Hablo de ole Espanolo por favoro” (Why do people add an “o” and think that’s now somehow comprehensible Spanish?). Anyway, my twisted daydreaming about this has led to an idea (to be used against me one day as evidence of my sadness).

The girls are trying to get Cien, and we’re trying to get a good experience. Now there are many among us who wouldn’t pay Cien no matter how she rocks your world. She could be Elizabeth Hurley swinging from the chandelier with her ankles tied behind her head while you __________ (insert depravity here) for four hours, and you still would say that’s worth $60. That’s fine. You’re set in your negotiations and you’ll probably get much more tail for far less money than I ever will. But then there are others of you who will simply pop a Ben Franklin around your todger and as long as she brushes against you long enough to pull it off, you’ll consider that a meaningful enough experience to warrant having just given her what might be three weeks salary to most people in her country. That’s fine too, if you have the money and don’t mind ruining it for the rest of us, you careless bastard. I’m somewhere in the vast middle ground, shy of being a Chump, but also far from being a Cheap Charlie.

Trying to reconcile those extremes while still getting what we consider our money’s worth, and doing so within the confines of whatever market you happen to be playing in, is the Holy Grail of our hobby. It’s the subject of our musings and comparisons, and the point of boards like this. There is no Holy Grail, or magic key that unlocks all scenes the same way. That’s one of the most interesting things about this hobby. The scene in each country is just a little different, and sometimes wildly different. And you must master them all to get your money’s worth.

So I’m considering my upcoming trip to SJ, and trying to overcome my personal hurdles in that market to get the best deal. I don’t speak Spanish. I’m not Tom Brady. I’m not willing to hemorrhage cash unnecessarily. But I’m clean. I treat girls quite well. I won’t take her whole night with TLN. I’m not a cheapskate. And she’ll almost certainly orgasm, if she cares to. And that’s where my inner-geek took over. How do I get them to stop talking about “Cien” to walk out the door when I’m not against ending up paying Cien if she’s giving me everything I want for the length of time I want? And how do I conduct that negotiation in detail enough when she doesn’t speak English and I don’t speak Spanish. I’m not going to agree to Cien and then have her Starfish on me and be ready to jump up in 30 minutes and hit the door.

This is where I need your input on two things (after which you can laugh at me for dreaming). Setting aside the language barrier for a moment, would a Del Ray girl (I know we’re dealing with a range of girls, hypotheticals, and we can shift the $ in any direction you see fit) be interested in agreeing to go with a guy if the deal is that he’s willing to pay $50 for the date. But they both understand that he’s willing to generously Propina for BBBJ/BBBJCIM, MultiPos, Culo, Toys, Digits, DFK, real GFE, no clock watching, no whining, etc etc etc. She’s going to get $50 if she’s a PITA and ready to bolt. But if she knows she’s going to give up most of those things and do so with a smile she’s going to bank $100 - $120. If she’s giving up the menu, GFE, and for three hours, I’d have no problem paying a decent ransom, especially if she’s giving up all access. Would you?

I’ve heard it said that most of the quality girls are reluctant to agree to certain things if she sees you going girl to girl looking for one who will do X, and will do it for $60. She can’t afford to be the girl who says yes after all the others have said no, and now they all know she agreed to X for Y. But if you’re offering $50 as a base rate FS to walk, and generous Propina for her confidence to be able to please you for the rest, then actually she appears to be confident in her ability to please you, and not agreeing to any specific act.

Let’s introduce the language barrier, and then see two solutions. I can’t negotiate any of that, and make her confident that she’s going to get paid a decent rate, and not just the $50 because of the language barrier. And I would have a hard time laying out an entire menu of the things I want and pricing each without tripping up in the language net. And even if I was, her assurance that she’ll do X for Y, doesn’t mean she’s not going to be a PITA about it, Starfish, and bolt ASAP. To many, all this is half the fun. To others, it’s unbearably frustrating. To me, I’m usually fine winging it and it all works out. But my aforementioned tendency to daydream incessantly about the upcoming events, makes this whole conversation emerge from the surreal into realm of fixation.

So, could you print out a little card (and laminate it of course since you’re unbearably anal). With two sections. The top section has the Base Rate you’re willing to pay printed with Spanish language that shows that it’s simply the Base Rate. Then the balance of the card has a menu of things you like and want, and an explanation that her willing participation in these delicacies, and while doing so with a smile, and for an extended period of time will entitle her to a generous Propina, which you would have no problem with reaching into triple digits, should almost all of them be on the menu (all in Spanish of course). That’s the first option version. The other option version would have the Base Rate at the top and actual prices you’d be willing to tack on for each menu item on the bottom, including attitude and time periods if you wish. A third version could be one with blanks next to the items for negotiation. If you’re a total Poindexter, you could carry a little dry-erase pen to write and erase your negotiations back and forth. You can see why this discussion has long ago devolved into a sad reflection on my organizational longings.
Under this scenario the two of you could point and negotiate without anyone else knowing what you were agreeing to, and with both of you knowing exactly what services you’re trying to engage, and at what price.

I will state for the record that I’ve been mongering all over the world for 20 years now without such a depraved and sad little aid. But I will also admit that I’m twisted enough to think that it would be a benefit, and would probably have gotten my hands on one if someone else had thought of it and printed them.

In the end I’m sure I’ll just do what I always do and spend months preparing extensive research, spreadsheets, and detailed maps (my heart skipped a beat when I saw Prolijo’s and GetRythm’s maps), with cheat sheets and reams of research, all to be ignored and discarded when I actually arrive and just play it all by ear and see what happens. I do it every time. But to me, this sad little exercise is half the fun.

So, what do you think? Would a cheat sheet/crib notes card be of use for negotiations? Or will she have a problem with the whole underlying notion of going for X with Y as Propina?

Enjoy the exercise and pester all you want. In my humble opinion, you hit it in your last paragraph.

For independents, this is what I do and it works for me. If you are with one of the top 10% or so who get $100 you will likely know it. You have been evaluating women long enough that you can decide whether or not she is the upper tier. She is going to ask for cien. At this point you can:

-Go into a list of questions and acts and prices and break out a calculator and spread sheets if you want. Just remember that this is even less sexy for her than it is for you. You have, in effect, reduced her to a pile of sex acts, parts and prices. Which part of this gets her thinking that she wants to phuck your brains out?

-Or, you could concentrate on the good time you want to have. Tell her you don't like the clock and you will be finished when it is finished. You want a girl who is interested in a good time. You are going to be here many days and are interested in finding a girl who rolls like you roll. Watch her responses. Is she gawking the room looking for another opportunity. Is she smiling and nodding or flat-line what vibe do you get? If you like kisses, try for a kiss. See how she responds.

I have used both ways. I am more likely to go over specific acts when I am dealing with a 7-8 off-night/afternoon and I am more likely to avoid money talk to the extent possible with a girl that I know gets $100.

Your mileage will vary, but I find that approaching the "extra" things that I want once she is hot and bothered gets me further than trying to get her to agree to them in the bar. Repeat performances are generally better and I rarely talk about money at all on a second session.

MP girls I handle differently. If I want culito or BBBJCIM I either ask her or the staff before we hit the room, but I rarely do MP girls, just not my thing.

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but your love don't pay my bills,
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Of course, you're right. But how do I do all that when I don't speak Spanish? Or is this Spanish discussion mute? I don't have that problem in Thailand.

The reason it's on my mind so much is that I think I've seen about 40 posts from guys saying that I need to learn Spanish. Is that a slight exaggeration? I mean, negotiating with Thai girls isn't easy either, but it always seems to just work out.

I started with no Spanish 2+ years ago and now it is a work in progress. You have all the considerations and concerns covered.

Here comes the answer that is not an answer but with serve you well. Go with your gut.

You will know when a girl seems interested and is looking as much for a fun guy as cien.

Here comes the best part. You will find one that you know will be a great time. You will pass and take a stunner and get a mechanical 1 hour.

But it is all part of the journey. Enjoy the journey! Do not fret or worry about it. Enjoy it! You will get great ones bad ones and ok ones.

When you get a great one get a phone number!

Enjoy the journey. It is your journey.

Most girls speak a little English and you will be surprised at the number of Spanish words you will use and learn every day. You both want to get to the same place so she will work with you.

Travelman gave great advice. What he calls going with your "gut" I call listen to your intuition. She will give hints and clues that you can pick up on if you are attentive and not so caught up in the transaction and your own nerves that you wouldn't notice if the building were on fire.

Drop me a PM when you get into town and I will see that your first forays are escorted. No pro'lem, senior.

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"Your love gives me such a thrill
but your love don't pay my bills,
I NEED THE MONEY!" - John Lee Hooker

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My gut is extensive, so I should have no problem then.